Playing A-K Out of Position

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It depends! That’s my answer to most poker questions. Usually, the questioner thinks I am avoiding the question. I’m really not! Each poker situation is a unique problem with innumerable variables, making the answer a conclusion that’s drawn from logical analysis of correct concepts, not a set standard. Those players who seek and utilize set standards invariably make mistakes when the answer to a poker situation falls outside those standards and the analysis required to formulate the answer has not been thought through.



An example is the way most people play A-K offsuit before the flop. The vast majority of players will hit it with a preflop raise, regardless of the situation. It is that sort of automatic thinking that costs lots of otherwise good players big chunks of their edge. As is the case with all other poker decisions, whether one ought to raise preflop with A-K depends on the situation at the time.

I recently wandered into the Mirage poker room seeking to help a friend who was struggling with his game. It had been quite a while since I had frequented my old stomping grounds. The Mirage does not spread the high-limit games that it used to prior to the opening of Bellagio. However, it still has the same nice aesthetics, friendly and competent management, and some great action at the middle and lower limits. I took a seat in a fired-up $20-$40 hold’em game and waited for my friend to arrive.

A couple of laps into the session, I picked up an A-K offsuit in the small blind. Two loose players had called preflop and the button had raised. Often in this spot I will reraise with an A-K type of hand — an unsuited high card with an ace. The hand is often good in this situation, and I am hoping to fold the big blind and the limpers, thereby both putting dead money into the pot and getting the pot heads up with an inferior hand. That play would not have worked in this particular instance, however, because none of my opponents who had already put chips into the pot were likely to fold once they had done so. Other factors applied to the situation. I would be first to act throughout the hand, which is usually a disadvantage. However, in this case, if I checked and everyone checked to the raiser (which these types of players were prone to do), I would then act immediately after the preflop raiser. My position therefore could be used as an advantage if I were to hit the flop and be able to check-raise the button, thereby forcing my other opponents to call two bets cold if they wanted to draw, thus reducing the price the pot was giving them. I could protect my one-pair hand in a volume pot and prevent other players from drawing at me. I flat-called the button’s raise, as did the rest of the field. Any small edge that I gave up in not raising inferior hands out before the flop would be more than made up for in an increased advantage later in the hand if I paired the flop.

The flop came down A-9-7 with two clubs. I checked, intent on check-raising the button. (There are four kinds of checks when action remains to be made behind you: checking with the intention of folding, with the intention of calling, with the intention of raising, and with the intention of evaluating what to do when the action gets back to you based on a new and higher level of information.) The field checked to the preflop raiser and he bet. I check-raised, clearing the remaining field. I bet the turn and river, and got paid off by the button, who showed me two jacks.

Anytime the pot gets big and you hold a hand that could easily be outdrawn by your opponents, you need to either make them pay too large a price to correctly draw to their hands or make them fold in a situation where drawing at that price would be correct. Applying this concept at the table can get tricky. Often, risks must be taken because the rewards of protecting the hand are so great. Sometimes you will plan a great check-raise, having positioned yourself correctly in the hand, only to have the expected bettor give the field a free card. Planning moves ahead if you hit or miss your hand and combining the styles of your opponents to the equation produces the right play. Evaluating the likelihood of the play working is accurately deduced only with experience. Pay attention and think in conceptual terms. Your bankroll will love you for it!
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Good read. Personaly, i wait and try to bring in the money after the flop.
 

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Nice read...I actually made the worst play of my first live tournament with AK.

It was early in the tourney and like the author, I was in the small blind. The person UTG called and everyone else folded to me. I was going to raise but given my image, the players would have folded so I got fancy and just completed. The big blind said "I can't let you guys limp in" and raised a decent amount (maybe 6x the big blind).

I actually folded my hand after UTG folded. My thought was that I tried to get fancy and wanted out since little good could come from the hand.

I think it was a poor and weak play. Probably the worst play I've made in 6 months. At the time, I thought I couldn't really put him on a hand and because of his style, my style, and my position, I couldn't outplay him post flop so I needed to hit. I thought, if I missed and checked, he would ALWAYS bet and if he missed he would still call bets from me or raise if I tried to bluff. What I didn't factor in was that the raiser played aggressively and could have had a range of hands including crap like 66.

He flipped over AQ and I was just smoked. If an Ace flopped, this guy would have payed me off like a damned slot machine coming up 777.
 

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A good read from Roy Cooke. AK is essentially a drawing hand, likes few opponents, and should be raised to minimize the number of opponents.

He argues that in the case he reports the best way was to check raise from the small blind if he hits the flop.

Only with AK suited do I like to build a pot with many callers.
 

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VERY nice but I was at a 2-10 spread holdem game this past weekend and I had AA and AK and they both LOST to some on "HEAT" who stayed in after my raise and rivered flushes both times....so as wil says IT DEPENDS.. if people are on heat or idiots you can lose AK AA everytime
 

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Dante said:
VERY nice but I was at a 2-10 spread holdem game this past weekend and I had AA and AK and they both LOST to some on "HEAT" who stayed in after my raise and rivered flushes both times....so as wil says IT DEPENDS.. if people are on heat or idiots you can lose AK AA everytime
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What is "heat?" Does that mean someone who won a few hands in a row so he "on fire" so he plays until he loses?
 

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Yes swami...exactly my friend this guy on heat snapped my AK and AA in the same evening ....it is proof positive that LUCK beats skill ANYTIME , this guy was an idiot but got the cards
 

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I think AK should be raised preflop everytime in a limit game, it figures to be the best hand out, and you have pot equity, you should get your money in while you have the pot equity.
 

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